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Liza Bushiloспросил перевод 5 years ago
Как перевести? (ru-en)

начинающий путешественник

Переводы пользователей (3)

  1. 1.

    novice traveller

    Перевод добавил Elena Bogomolova
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    first-time traveler

    Перевод добавил ⁌ ULY ⁍
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    amateur traveler

    Перевод добавил grumbler
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Обсуждение (22)

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 5 years ago

amateur

grumblerдобавил комментарий 5 years ago

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 5 years ago

That comment wasn’t for you - it was for someone serious about modern English who might fall victim to your deceit.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 5 years ago

Just because you find things online and in dictionaries, doesn’t make them current or popular. BEGINNER TRAVELER sounds like two separate nouns. It sounds stupid, especially when expressions like FIRST-TIME TRAVELER and AMATEUR TRAVELER are available and sound terrific.

Tatiana Gerasimenkoдобавила комментарий 5 years ago

Uly, but is "amateur traveler" the same as "first-time traveler"?

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 5 years ago

It can be. Normally amateur is the opposite of professional, but it can also be interpreted as someone starting out in some discipline or activity.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 5 years ago

“Although I understand them, I don’t dare translate any of the posts on here. My Russian is still very amateur/I’m still an amateur in Russian.”

grumblerдобавил комментарий 5 years ago

На мой взгляд, "amateur traveler" - более широкое понятие, чем "first-time traveler"

Любой "first-time traveler" - amateur , но не наоборот.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 5 years ago

In other words, it implies LITTLE OR NO EXPERIENCE

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 5 years ago

Grumbler, yes. My first choice for this post would be FIRST-TIME TRAVELER. The only reason AMATEUR works here is that it CAN be interpreted as “beginning,” but the true meaning of amateur is non-professional. You can be traveling for 30 years as an amateur by virtue of that definition.

Elena Bogomolovaдобавил комментарий 5 years ago

I deleted it. However some other native English speakers approved it.
Stop accusing me of deceit.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 5 years ago

David Webb isn’t a native.

Elena Bogomolovaдобавил комментарий 5 years ago

There are a lot of others, I don't communicate with David Webb, or do you think I know only you and David Webb outside Russia??

grumblerдобавил комментарий 5 years ago
The only reason AMATEUR works here is that it CAN be interpreted as “beginning,”


The same with Russian начинающий - it can have literal meaning or неопытный (and непрофессиональный - in a specific context)

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 5 years ago

Your friends tell you what they think you want to hear. If you asked them pointedly to choose between FIRST-TIME TRAVELER, AMATEUR TRAVELER and BEGINNER TRAVELER, I bet none of them would use BEGINNER TRAVELER in their actual speech/writing. It looks and sounds horrific - like two nouns side-by-side. This site should present the most prevalent, intelligent, modern and viable English possible for those serious about improving their English. Not everyone who writes online is equipped to do so. That’s where Ngrams shine - they show what actual authors use in books. The fact that no writer has ever used the expression BEGINNER TRAVELER is witness to its ugliness. If I weren’t here as a native to orient everyone, they would have to take what’s posted on here at face value. I hope to shed light on English and help them weed out what’s undesirable and even unacceptable - even if it’s in a dictionary or online.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 5 years ago

AMATEUR TRAVELER wouldn’t be my first choice here, but it works. It’s low in the Ngram, but it’s there for a reason. There’s a reason BEGINNER TRAVELER isn’t there.

⁌ ULY ⁍добавил комментарий 5 years ago

👍🏼

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