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Yura Kor'evikovsolicitou a tradução 8 years ago
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Возникли проблемы с переводом фразы Бернарда Шоу "economics is the science whose practitioners, even if all were laid and to end, would not reach agreement".

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  1. 1.

    экономика такая наука, теоретики которой, даже если им вручить подробную карту, никогда не придут к единому мнению.

    Comentário do tradutor

    может так? если не букву, то хотя бы дух?

    Tradução adicionada por Igor Yurchenko
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  2. 2.

    Economics is the science whose practitioners, even if all were laid End to end, would not reach agreement.

    Editado

    Экономика эта такая наука, в которой, даже уложив всех экономистов в единую линию, единого согласия не добьёшься.

    Tradução adicionada por Aleh La
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    похоже на игру слов русском переводе скорее всего, потеряется)

    reach smt. - дотянуться до ч/л, достичь ч/л

    reach agreement - достичь соглашения/согласия

    ...

    Comentário do tradutor

    If all humans stood on top of each other in a straight line they would REACH the Moon

    Если всех экономистов выложить в ряд, они так и не придут к соглашению

    Tradução adicionada por grumbler
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Discussão (23)

grumbleradicionou o comentário 8 years ago

Irina's translation seems good, but is contradictory and lacks sense.
Generally, the more people you bring together, the less likely they are to reach agreement.

Irina Mayorovaadicionou o comentário 8 years ago

You're very polite, grumbler))) actually the idea by Bernard Show is contradictory. It's a well-known joke which can be translated in different ways depending on what anyone understands or sees there. Only he could know what he meant)))

⁌ ULY ⁍adicionou o comentário 8 years ago

Grumbler's assessment is correct - this is a pun. Shaw was alluding to reaching (in the physical sense) "agreement" as if it were a palpable place with an actual row of economists' bodies.

Aleh Laadicionou o comentário 8 years ago

to Grumbler: I just can't fathom how something can lack sense and seem good at the same time. ))))

grumbleradicionou o comentário 8 years ago

to Grumbler: I just can't fathom how something can lack sense and seem good at the same time. ))))

I said "seems good", i.e. "выглядит хорошо" (на первый взгляд)
Was it more correct to say "seems to be good"?

⁌ ULY ⁍adicionou o comentário 8 years ago

Aleh: you can't fathom how something can be grammatically correct, yet not convey the intended sense?

grumbleradicionou o comentário 8 years ago

@ actually the idea by Bernard Show is contradictory. It's a well-known joke which can be translated in different ways depending on what anyone understands or sees there. Only he could know what he meant)))

I disagree.
It is a joke, but not because of a contradiction (I don't see any). And It's pretty clear what he meant.

Your translation doesn't look like a joke and would make a perfect sense without 'even'.

Irina Mayorovaadicionou o comentário 8 years ago

anybody sees what he wants to see)

⁌ ULY ⁍adicionou o comentário 8 years ago

*Everybody sees what they want to see

grumbleradicionou o comentário 8 years ago

to some degree
there are limits, unless your aim is reductio ad absurdum

⁌ ULY ⁍adicionou o comentário 8 years ago

I was correcting Irina

Irina Mayorovaadicionou o comentário 8 years ago

Uly, thanks, but I meant generally, not (only) in the discussion

⁌ ULY ⁍adicionou o comentário 8 years ago

That is the general meaning, Irina.

⁌ ULY ⁍adicionou o comentário 8 years ago

ANYBODY is impossible in this sentence.

⁌ ULY ⁍adicionou o comentário 8 years ago

👍🏼

Irina Mayorovaadicionou o comentário 8 years ago

Actually my first idea was also everybody, but I remembered that you said that "every" means each one of the list)))
why is the first part in sing. and the second one in pl.? As far as I can remember the unit of Murphy's book the verbs can be both in plural...

⁌ ULY ⁍adicionou o comentário 8 years ago

Yes, in this case EVERYBODY refers to each person in general.

⁌ ULY ⁍adicionou o comentário 8 years ago

There's agreement, and then there's usage) We use THEY here, and in similar constructions, so that we don't have to choose between HE and SHE, or use both.

Irina Mayorovaadicionou o comentário 8 years ago

with they it's clear, thank you. I meant pl. firm after everybody

⁌ ULY ⁍adicionou o comentário 8 years ago

Sorry, Irina, I don't understand what do you mean.

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