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Mary Stylinsonasked for translation 8 years ago
How to translate? (ru-en)

Сегодня в ресторане меньше людей, чем обычно.

User translations (2)

  1. 1.

    There are less people than usual in the restaurant today.

    translation added by ⁌ ULY ⁍
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  2. 2.

    There are fewer people than usually in the restaurant today.

    translation added by grumbler
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Discussion (8)

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 8 years ago

Grumbler: than USUAL

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 8 years ago

I agree that USUALLY is an option, but it can't stand alone. You could say "fewer customers than THERE usually ARE" for example. Otherwise it just doesn't sound idiomatic.

grumbleradded a comment 8 years ago

The only better explanations I see are "English is full of exceptions" and "This is a fixed phrase. There is no logic involved." If so, I agree as English isn't my first language.

In their example usual/usually can be either "usual steak" or "usually buy". Hence, "than usual" is preferable.

However, in our case I don't see how it can be "usual people". The only possibility I see is "usually are".

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 8 years ago

In our case, there are two options: (1) the fixed phrase "than usual" referring to the entire scenario, or (2) "than there usually are" in which USUALLY is (necessarily) part of a verb phrase. The only variant that doesn't work here is the THAN USUALLY on its own and unlicensed. So it isn't a matter of formal vs informal language, it's about licensing. In this case, USUALLY must be licensed by a verb form.

grumbleradded a comment 8 years ago

Well, I can accept 'fixed phrase', but your logic isn't convincing.
Some more googling...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7813267.stm
"...others left their jobs earlier than usually because work has slowed down as factory orders slump."
"than usually" is on it's own here, as there is no any verb that 'usually' addresses directly. Implicitly it's "than <they> usually <leave>" - and this is logical.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 8 years ago

I'm not looking to convince you, I'm very sure of what I'm telling you :) Remember, English is my native language and my profession as a translator and editor. I'm merely trying to help you. Everything you see online is not necessarily correct even the BBC can obviously make mistakes.

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