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Hdjdxn Oskdjdjasked for translation 6 лет назад
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студенты, переводившие эту статью, говорят, что она очень трудная

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  1. 1.

    The students who translated this article say it's quite difficult.

    translation added by ⁌ ULY ⁍
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Discussion (29)

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

Ravil, if it referred to "student who HAVE TRANSLATED this article," would it be перевёдшие?

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

Thank you, the verb conjugator gave me the wrong information.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

But isn’t переводившие used when they are in the process of translating?

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 6 лет назад

Не за что). Yes, you're right, переводившие makes an accent on the process. Это причастие от глагола несовершенного вида.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

Then my translation is correct?

Tatiana Gerasimenkoadded a comment 6 лет назад

Переводившие vs переводящие. The former refers to the past, the latter to the present. The Russian implies a past action.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

So then how would you translate it?

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

But how can it have a perfective meaning if it comes from an imperfective verb?

Tatiana Gerasimenkoadded a comment 6 лет назад

Hm... Maybe it's me.. When I see your translation, I start thinking about two simultaneous actions: some students are translating an article and they say it's quite difficult. Студенты, которые переводят статью, говорят, что она трудная. Is there a way to convey the precedence of переводившие over говорят.

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 6 лет назад

When I look afresh at this sentence, maybe I agree with Tatiana.
Переводившие in Russian is not necessarily continuous. It may mean которые когда-то переводили not meaning the process, but the fact. Difficult to explain it...
It's like На той неделе мы ходили в лес (были в лесу)
Раньше люди писали письма друг другу, а теперь это редкость.

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 6 лет назад

So, I'd translate this sentence as
The students who translated that article say that it's very difficult.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

If it can mean которые когда-то переводили referring not so much to the process, as it does to the fact, then I would still use the gerund: "Students seeing the painting for the first time always think the woman is holding a cat, but upon closer inspection, realize that it's a possum." -similarly- "Students translating this passage always get caught up on the form "переводившие," which they find impossible to render correctly." Does that sound right?

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 6 лет назад

"Студенты, когда смотрят на эту картину впервые, всегда думают, что женщина держит в руках кошку, но при более близком рассмотрении понимают, что это опоссум".
"Студенты, которые переводят эту статью, всегда спотыкаются на форме слова "переводившие". Они считают, что передать его смысл правильно невозможно".
На русском тоже получается настоящее.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

So you can’t replace SEEING and TRANSLATING with participles here for that sake of argument?

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 6 лет назад

We can, but it will be in the present tense.
Студенты, смотрящие на эту картину...
Студенты, переводящие эту статью...

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

I would say “My books have been translated into English. I want to introduce you to the person who translated them.”

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 6 лет назад

I'd translate it in the same way.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

It seems that this was my initial intuition - the students were translating the article at the time that they mentioned it was difficult, but we have no certainty that they ever completed it, which is why the imperfective participle is used, in which case “Students translating this article” would be in order. Does this sound correct?

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 6 лет назад

t's correct theoretically, but in real life "переводившие" usually means a completed action, I don't know why. Like in Ravil's example.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

So then in practice there's no difference between переводившие and переведшие in this sentence and they could both be used interchangeably?

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 6 лет назад

Yes, only переведшие is used more rarely

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

Ok, that explains that. So then my translation is invalid.

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 6 лет назад

Just change it to the past simple

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 6 лет назад

Done, thank you 😊

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 6 лет назад

🌝 Thanks toTatiana, actually

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