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Liza Bushiloasked for translation 5 лет назад
How to translate? (ru-en)

начинающий путешественник

User translations (3)

  1. 1.

    novice traveller

    translation added by Elena Bogomolova
    Gold ru-en
    4
  2. 2.

    first-time traveler

    translation added by ⁌ ULY ⁍
    Gold ru-en
    3
  3. 3.

    amateur traveler

    translation added by grumbler
    Gold ru-en
    2

Discussion (22)

grumbleradded a comment 5 лет назад

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 5 лет назад

That comment wasn’t for you - it was for someone serious about modern English who might fall victim to your deceit.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 5 лет назад

Just because you find things online and in dictionaries, doesn’t make them current or popular. BEGINNER TRAVELER sounds like two separate nouns. It sounds stupid, especially when expressions like FIRST-TIME TRAVELER and AMATEUR TRAVELER are available and sound terrific.

Tatiana Gerasimenkoadded a comment 5 лет назад

Uly, but is "amateur traveler" the same as "first-time traveler"?

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 5 лет назад

It can be. Normally amateur is the opposite of professional, but it can also be interpreted as someone starting out in some discipline or activity.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 5 лет назад

“Although I understand them, I don’t dare translate any of the posts on here. My Russian is still very amateur/I’m still an amateur in Russian.”

grumbleradded a comment 5 лет назад

На мой взгляд, "amateur traveler" - более широкое понятие, чем "first-time traveler"

Любой "first-time traveler" - amateur , но не наоборот.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 5 лет назад

In other words, it implies LITTLE OR NO EXPERIENCE

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 5 лет назад

Grumbler, yes. My first choice for this post would be FIRST-TIME TRAVELER. The only reason AMATEUR works here is that it CAN be interpreted as “beginning,” but the true meaning of amateur is non-professional. You can be traveling for 30 years as an amateur by virtue of that definition.

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 5 лет назад

I deleted it. However some other native English speakers approved it.
Stop accusing me of deceit.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 5 лет назад

David Webb isn’t a native.

Elena Bogomolovaadded a comment 5 лет назад

There are a lot of others, I don't communicate with David Webb, or do you think I know only you and David Webb outside Russia??

grumbleradded a comment 5 лет назад
The only reason AMATEUR works here is that it CAN be interpreted as “beginning,”


The same with Russian начинающий - it can have literal meaning or неопытный (and непрофессиональный - in a specific context)

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 5 лет назад

Your friends tell you what they think you want to hear. If you asked them pointedly to choose between FIRST-TIME TRAVELER, AMATEUR TRAVELER and BEGINNER TRAVELER, I bet none of them would use BEGINNER TRAVELER in their actual speech/writing. It looks and sounds horrific - like two nouns side-by-side. This site should present the most prevalent, intelligent, modern and viable English possible for those serious about improving their English. Not everyone who writes online is equipped to do so. That’s where Ngrams shine - they show what actual authors use in books. The fact that no writer has ever used the expression BEGINNER TRAVELER is witness to its ugliness. If I weren’t here as a native to orient everyone, they would have to take what’s posted on here at face value. I hope to shed light on English and help them weed out what’s undesirable and even unacceptable - even if it’s in a dictionary or online.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 5 лет назад

AMATEUR TRAVELER wouldn’t be my first choice here, but it works. It’s low in the Ngram, but it’s there for a reason. There’s a reason BEGINNER TRAVELER isn’t there.

⁌ ULY ⁍added a comment 5 лет назад

👍🏼

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